Showing posts with label Practicas. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Practicas. Show all posts

Friday, 5 August 2016

Cortinaless

Today, I came across a discussion in an online group about practicas - there was a query about why women were not attending which although I don't know this practica I tend to find is because the guys aren't nice to dance with. There was a worry from an organiser that perhaps events may not run without sufficient support. There were some calls for "no cortinas" from women not getting dances and for men to be more generous with themselves. There were cries to the contrary too - about dance being a pleasure, not a chore. I said I would rather die than accept or give something as patronising and demeaning as a charity dance. But there's nothing "charity" about dancing with beginners for me - it's often a great pleasure.

Increasingly I avoid practicas without cortinas. The music tends to be poor and attracts people who care about moves more than music. 

I feel music in tandas and find it uncomfortable when a partner I'm dancing with hasn't heard the change of orchestra. They may expect to keep on dancing but for me a change of orchestra is a natural end point, signifying a change of partner or a pause. Cortinas make thing clear and easy without anything being said - just like invitation by look. 

There is nothing about tandas with cortinas that prevents anyone from dancing the last one or two tracks whereas to take away the advantages of tandas with cortinas from those who enjoy them will increase the likelihood of such dancers escaping this discomfort by going elsewhere. Some choose who they invite or accept and when. Others try to make them dance with more people through such tactics as "no cortinas" or gimmicks like "move on one partner" which luckily is increasingly less common. 

Cortinaless practicas detract in several ways but how do cortinas detract except by some thinking others are having more fun than they? It isn't logical to think having no cortinas mean people will dance with you more. If someone doesn't want to dance with someone else, what difference do cortinas make? The only thing no cortinas does is cave in to the demands of people who can't get dances for a single "pity" dance which is so embarrassing as to be almost unanswerable. No cortinas doesn't make it more likely that someone will dance with you except by making the indignity obvious that they may grant you one track but couldn't bear to do three.

I really feel for women who can't get dances or the dances they want - because very often that person has been me!   I don't know what to say to that except that in my experience things get worked out in the milongas, one way or another. You find out eventually what it is to be nice to dance with, you find out who you trust to find those things out with and who you don't because trust in dance as in conversation is all there is really.  And these things just can't be forced, least of all "encouraged" by well meaning people with the wrong end of a very delicate stick.

If I want to dance one or two tracks with a woman or I think that's all I might get from her on a first shot, I'll invite her at the end of a tanda - or I might be so invited. It makes things clear with nothing having to be said: "I'm not sure enough about you to dance a whole tanda, but do you want to give a couple of tracks a try?" Even that can be a fairly unsubtle, patronising and insulting thing to do. It can imply "I don't know if you're good enough for me" though it could also mean "You may be out of my league". Either way, such a risk might not be worth taking. 

Usually - though not always - I dance tandas. Surely the only time you might tend to dance one or two tracks is if you don't know someone or the music is poor for part of the tanda. Dancing a single track or even two there is no time to get to know someone, to get over nerves, or perhaps one of the tracks wasn't the best so you didn't dance well. With the traditional four tango tracks to a tanda there is time to get a good idea about somebody, particularly a nervous somebody, time to adjust and accommodate or lose your own nerves in the pleasure of the music and the new partner.

Places that lose cortinas are likely to also end up losing the dancers who have no trouble getting partners and who enjoy the natural rhythm of tandas with cortinas. The dancers who demand no cortinas of hosts may wish for that but ultimately it results in a two-speed community where, in general, the better dancers will dance in a different local milonga with people who can dance and who prefer tandas and cortinas and those who can't get dances won't go. They will go to the cortinaless practicas they wanted, to dance with...others who can't get dances or who like the off-on, stop-start emptiness of single track dancing and where, really, is the fun in that?  Or, those who can dance will and do travel away from such places or stop dancing if their circumstances prevent travel. 

In contrast, a healthy milonga has good music, tandas and cortinas; good physical milonga conditions like seats, tables and good lighting for invitation by look; a naturally pleasant host who helps create the kind of floorcraft that attracts good dancers and an atmosphere without overt rules which is as relaxing as the music such that good dancers will naturally dance with new dancers. All this happens in the real conditions of a real milonga.  I think it is in these kinds of places that new dancers grow, experienced dancers develop and everyone has a good time not in some cortinaless false kindergarten-like simulacrum of a milonga.
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I am not against practicas at all though I notice better dancers will usually prefer a milonga if they have one so the trouble with practicas can be insufficient experienced dancers to dance with newer dancers.  For me, good practicas are just less formal milongas where people can try things out in the middle without getting in the way of others, or dance with a smaller group of more known people, where they feel safer.

A good practica might be a little different to a milonga.  But to be a real practice, a practice for a milonga it would, obviously, be very close to it which is another reason it would have cortinas.  But maybe in a practica it would be OK to stop and start and try things out, to talk (but oh, please, still not lecture new dancers) on the floor. Men can learn how to dance by dancing in the traditional woman's role with experienced partners of either sex. Men would feel less self conscious about this than in a milonga - until it becomes more common and therefore more natural for men to learn this way, rather than by learning set moves in class.  That makes most of them  unpleasant to dance with and worse makes them treat women as little better than performing dogs to jump through hoops. If your practicas are full of men like this, little wonder when women do not go. 

Most women are nicer to dance with than most men. But when men can dance, even more women become nicer to dance with, just like that.  

Yet it is perfectly possible for brand new women to learn to dance with good partners in milongas.  It happens all the time.  Such women are easily the nicest I dance with and the most unspoilt by class contrivance.  So if women can learn this natural way, why can't guys swap roles and learn that same way too? Because guys who know what dancing like a woman feels like are so much nicer to dance with.  I'm not saying there's no place for a practica, just that everyone, everyone can learn and enjoy an awful lot implicitly in a good milonga - and often hardly even notice the learning.

Sunday, 16 August 2015

Cafe chat: learning


Blane and Bryan

After the Saturday afternoon practica in Glasgow I went with some friends to a cafe, which is a kind of loose custom with some of us.

I went to the practica because I have been dancing the other role regularly since about the winter and yet I can't really "do" ochos or ocho cortados in the other role.  It hadn't really bothered me until recently I started thinking they might be a good thing sometimes.

I had tried learning the "cross" in the few guy classesI tried before I realised that was the really hard way to learn and later with friends...Parallel system....cross system....she has to be on this foot, I have to be on that foot...the timing has to be right...and everyone had different ways of doing it.  It was hopeless.  So despite that it's a classic "move" I gave up trying to figure out how to "lead" the cross and then one day it must have just happened on its own.

It was the same with ochos.  On the rare occasions I have tried to "do" them in the past I had to wholly stop the dance, engage the thinking mechanism and literally work out how to do it, by which time of course I have become completely deaf to the music not to mention treating my partner as some kind of malleable object.  This method is excellent for discovering the different levels of patience among friends! Of the few I inflicted this on, everyone has been extraordinarily tolerant. I suspect it's just practice.

But I do think it has to be practice, said as such to a partner, because it isn't fair or right to practice your brand new "moves" on some unwitting suspect you invite for a social dance if it's to the extent of having to stop, work things out and start again.

Treating a milonga as a practica is a no-no, treating a practica as a milonga can work to an extent.  Many locally, perhaps a majority, go to practicas to dance socially which illustrates a gap in the market for  a certain kind of regular, relaxed social dance event.  Perhaps it also explains why afternoon tea dances in my area are so popular.  But I think trying something out in a practica but disguising it as a social dance is a  mistake.  I refused a new dancer recently who invited me - directly - to a social dance in a practica.  I don't think I was wrong but I still felt bad.  Next time I saw him I asked him if he wanted to practice together in both roles and we did.  He was so good in the other (woman's) role it was revelatory.  I suspect that the earlier a guy starts to dance in the other role, the better he is in both, sooner.  

So I wanted to practice ochos with my friends, who in this case turned out to be the patient and tolerant Bryan who sometimes likes to change role too.  That's not surprising because pretty much all the best guy dancers I know also dance or have danced the other role.  In fact I swapped roles with three guys at the practica so was delighted.  I've noticed before once one guy sees a guy swapping, others seem happier to do so too.  But I notice many, especially with less experience, prefer to swap with women than with other guys, whereas in fact, it is better to swap roles with a variety of people (you like and trust). 

In the end in the way these things often go Bryan and I practised not ochos, but a kind of turn I like that he does.  I couldn't remember which feet we both had to be on:  "If we are one creature, he needs to be on our first foot, and I need to be on our fourth foot."  But that was too complicated. So then: 
 "Ah, if I remember that our outer thighs need to be together and then the turn is what is counter intuitive then it might come to me." 
 "I don't think so", said Bryan, "It is from the chest, really", which of course, is true.

I did kind of get it eventually, through a combination of those last two points but was left with the unmistakeable sense that how I - we? - pick things up is very nebulous, hard to define, although I know fairly clearly how I don't learn well.  

Afterwards in the cafe we were chatting about how we learn.  Bryan does everything - videos, lessons, by feel and sense; Blane said he was a visual learner, he had to see what his feet were doing.  I said talk and seeing it demonstrated was utterly lost on me.   I suspected that if I was to learn a new "thing" I would have to do it and feel it - ideally by an experienced guy backleading it for me, and then do it over til I got the sense of it.  
 "I really believe everyone learns best that way. You know that proverb:  'What I hear, I forget; What I see, I remember; What I do, I understand.' It's a bit like that."
 "No, everyone learns differently."

So after I'd been mocked into being less camera-shy we decided to each say how we "do"/"lead" the cross in the guy's role.  The sound isn't very good on the videos but I think you can see we all had different views.  This was Bryan in time-honoured cafe-fashion using a fork to represent the spine of his partner which I think he moves past the saucers: her feet.  Blane demonstrates in serious Glaswegian style his new view that it's all about flow, whereas I just had no idea